Puppy farming – an expose by ABC Radio National

Hundreds of thousands of puppies are born every year, and many eventually end up in pounds, where most have to be put down. The vicious cycle involves unregulated breeders, pet stores, dog rescuers — and the buyers who take in a puppy without thinking it through, then dump it. Reporter: Hagar Cohen.

To access this radio interview, click here….

DRP Comment: this is exceptional journalism. Hagar Cohen has done a first class job to let puppy farmers, irresponsible breeders, pet shop owners, PIAA Director Bob Croucher and plain rude Wellington Council (who wont stop puppy farming on their patch) Councillors from digging a huge hole to dig themselves into.

Grab a cup of coffee as this is a terrific 30 minute + report.

Actions you can take:

The breeder, Mary Papalia who doesn’t believe in desexing can be contacted on www.genuinecanine.com.au

Please forward this report to as many people as you can:

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/backgroundbriefing/stories/2009/2752846.htm

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38 thoughts on “Puppy farming – an expose by ABC Radio National

  1. Fido's Friend December 3, 2009 / 5:08 pm

    Word has it that NSWAR are to begin mixed breed breeding at their property in Bringelly. Good luck with that one folks! Hopefully whistleblowing volunteers will make sure that never succeeds and the RSPCA will be regular visitors also.

  2. Romana December 3, 2009 / 5:09 pm

    I had an open-minded look at your video as well as on the breeder’s website. My opinion is:

    If the cages that your video shows are the overnight accommodation for the dogs, it is perfectly alright! The entire facility is very clean and the dogs have everything they need over night. It must be a full-time job to replace so many newspaper and wash so many food and water bowls every day! My compliments to the breeder!

    It really seems to me that what you show on the video is the night accommodation only. At daytime, the breeder’s job may look like this (quoted from her website):

    “Set on 25 acres… all of which are all very much-loved pets. Our Beagles are housed in large yards (15m x 30m) and all are basic obedience trained with great temperaments. We retire our breeding females at 5 years of age … Our adults and puppies are well raised, we breed for temperament and health above all else…We spend many hours per day with our puppies producing a wonderful temperament and producing well-adjusted and socialised companions.”

    Nothing to object about, from my point of view. Of course, it looks always nicer if a family has 1 or 2 dogs only – but how many of those are left alone and suffering from boredom all day every day?

  3. Debra Tranter December 4, 2009 / 12:49 am

    Romana, the footage on the ABC website was taken at KKK puppy farm in Victoria. This puppy farmer (not a breeder) does not have a website so your quotes from a website are not related to this video footage.
    The cages are definitely not “night kennels”. The dogs live in those cages during their pregnancy and when they whelp and wean their puppies.
    The puppy farm is not clean, it is putrid and the stench in that shed was overwhelming. The shed had no ventilation, hence why you see so many domestic fans set up inside the shed.
    Its not about “looking nice” its about the way we treat dogs in this country.
    It amazes me how anyone could view that footage and think it is acceptable.

  4. vetnurse December 4, 2009 / 2:50 pm

    “Desexing makes dogs less energetic…” quoting Mary Papalia – what utter rubbish! Everything she says is an excuse to breed to make money.
    A desexed pet is no less energetic than an entire dog. His/her energy will be directed towards the human family instead of hormone-driven seeking of mates to breed! In addition desexed female dogs cannot develop pyometra (life threatening infection of the uterus) or ovarian cancer and have a much lower risk of breast cancer. Male dogs will not develop testicular cancer and have reduced rates of perineal hernias and prostate problems.

  5. Romana December 4, 2009 / 3:20 pm

    @ Debra:

    My apologies, I have got it mixed up. I couldn’t download the live interview, but was able to read the transscript after I posted the message and therefore revise my comment.

    We are talking about two entirely different facilities:

    (1) the KKK puppy farm, which – after realising that the dogs do not leave that accommodation at daytime, ever! – I consider as unethical and extremenly cruel; yes, this one should be closed down; and

    (2) Mary’s breeding kennel, which I consider as absolutely ethical and a great place for the dogs to live in! This one – if it really corresponds to the description on the website – should be commended and praised, and it could serve as an example for the industry of how to do it the right way.

  6. Romana December 4, 2009 / 3:32 pm

    @ vetnurse

    I had one of my cats desexed after her first litter, and wihtin 3 months, she became really big and fat. We did not change the diet or anything else, except that she got far more exercise than before because she was then allowed to go for walks outside.

    I also had my 1 year old White Shepherd dog desexed recently. He was considered unsuitable for breeding because of temperament problems – he developed a tendency to act aggressively against humans, including children (however, of other families only). After desexing, he indeed became far “less energetic” within one weeks or two. He wouldn’t even bark at our neighbour any more, and he became a true ‘lamb”. Now, everyone can touch and pet him, and he won’t object. He has totally changed his behaviour.

    Hence, from my own experience, I must confirm, Mary is right.

    Regarding your medical claims: Please keep in mind that vets are trained at university to become excellent salespeople for pharmaceutical toxins (drugs) and for surgeries. The more of those they sell, the more money they make. Your medical claims are unsubstantiated – except of the very obvious ones: If a dog has no testicles or no uterus any more, of course, they can’t develop cancer!

    The question that remains is how ethical it is from a pet owner to have an essential organ of a pet forcefully removed … but that is another topic.

  7. Romana December 4, 2009 / 3:39 pm

    Correction:
    …of course, they can’t develop cancer in that particular (removed) organ any more (but everywhere else in the remaining parts of their bodies, they still can).

    By the way, I am aware of the fact that the testicles and uteri and ovaries are usually not removed, but only disconnected. In those cases, I am quite sure that they can still develop cancer cells there, most probably much more likely than in unneutered animals!

  8. Romana December 4, 2009 / 3:44 pm

    @ vetnurse (my last comment for today, I promise)

    Believe me, every vet makes far more money with selling drugs and surgeries than any animal breeder or even a puppy mill owner could ever make with the same working hours…

  9. vetnurse December 4, 2009 / 8:38 pm

    Romana: You’re clearly very misinformed.
    Desexing involves the REMOVAL of the testicles in male dogs/cats and the uterus and ovaries in females. They are not “disconnected” as you wrongly state!
    Making money has nothing to do with vets recommending desexing! In fact if vets encouraged people to keep their pets entire, they would make a lot more money with the caesareans and other common complications/interventions required when breeding, vaccinations of the subsequent offspring and so on. Desexing is discounted to be a vastly cheaper operation than normal to encourage people to have their pets neutered.
    Comparing the income of vets vs. puppy millers has nothing to do with the argument against the unethical breeding of dogs purely to make money.
    With regards to your cat gaining weight: neutered pets have a slower metabolism which means that they commonly do not require as much food as prior to desexing. It is up to you, the cat’s owner to regulate her food intake to stop this from happening.
    As for your dog: it sounds like desexing was the right thing to do because it has improved his behaviour. Don’t confuse a reduction in antisocial behaviours following desexing and a reduction in energy. If desexing caused a significant loss of energy in dogs, Guide Dogs for the blind, Assistance Dogs for the disabled and Hearing Dogs for the deaf would not be able to do their work properly. All of these service dogs are desexed.
    This article does not discuss the health aspects of puppies bred in puppy mills. I have seen first hand the myriad of health issues that are found in these “designer breeds”, as with pure breeds. These “designer breeds” are commonly touted as having hybrid vigour or being healthier than the pure breed parents. This isn’t necessarily true – in fact a cross between two breeds can have the health issues from both parents. Puppy mill owners do not spend money testing the parent dogs for health problems to remove affected dogs from their breeding stock and reduce the incidence of health problems in the puppies they produce. Many of the small breed dogs bred to produce the popular cross breeds have preventable health problems that can be tested for prior to breeding. The new owner of the cute puppy ends up paying the financial and emotional price when their companion becomes ill.

  10. Helen Brocker December 5, 2009 / 10:54 am

    Maybe a trip down to the Lost Dogs Home might help you decide Romana. Have a look at those neglected, abandoned faces that started off as cute fluff balls in pet shop windows, but end up in the pound system and will die there. Puppy Mills are no more than ‘battery hen farms’ of the dog world and institutions such as the LDH know the high price these puppies will pay. By not using their huge resourses to speak out against them, they are actually a part of the cycle. Why isn’t there more public awareness campaigns from them, especially at this time of the year? Maybe some clever reporter somewhere could do a ‘puppy mill to pound’ story, it would certainly bring the message home.

  11. vetnurse December 5, 2009 / 11:38 am

    Romana did you actually listen to the ABC radio interview???
    Did you hear the ex-puppy farmer stating that bitches were bred from repeatedly until they were unable to breed any more and then they were shot in a pit and buried? She also said that it’s a “sad life” for dogs in puppy farms and she regrets her actions.

    Have you ever seen an undesexed female dog dying from infection in her uterus (pyometra)? Have you seen a male dog whose owners never bothered to desex him with retained testicles which have turned cancerous inside him? Have you seen the backyard breeders turning up at vet clinics and places like the Lort Smith Animal Hospital with their dogs in labour and they can’t give birth? Have you heard them talking about the importance of getting live puppies so that they can make money at the end of the day?

    Puppy farming has nothing to do with “loving puppies” as Mary Papalia proclaims! It’s all about making money. The puppies are happily shipped off in crates at tender ages to sit in pets shops. Pet shops CANNOT and do not cater adequately for the social needs of puppies and kittens. Until 16-20 weeks of age, pups and kittens are in the critical socialisation period where they need to constantly exposed to new experiences in safe, positive ways. When sitting in a glass box in a pet shop they are not being socialised at all. Furthermore they are stuck in a tiny space forcing them to toilet where they eat, play and sleep. This is contrary to a dog’s natural instincts and teaches pups to be dirty and makes toilet training in their new homes very difficult.

    The whole puppy farming industry is wrong. The selling of these pups in pet shops is wrong. The selling of undesexed pups and kittens in pet shops is wrong. It’s time Australians stood up and outlawed puppy farms and the law was changed to ensure pups and kittens are desexed prior to sale in pet shops.

  12. Walker December 5, 2009 / 2:02 pm

    I walk dogs as a full time job. If desexing dogs made them less energetic, I’d would hate to have seen the energy levels of the dogs I walk prior to being desexed. I walk dogs that jog 5km’s per day, some run non stop for an hour and would keep going if it wasn’t home time. All desexed and all full of energy. I can tell you from my experience, there is a huge difference in aggression between male dogs that are desexed and dogs that are not but certainly not energy levels. This is silly argument that does not hold up.

  13. Adrienne December 5, 2009 / 3:15 pm

    Romana, have you see the high kill rates that were recently released by the Lost Dogs Home – they were forced to release them and did so under sufference – they are horrendeous. You cannot turn your head the other way and not admit to the real facts. If you had to be present with every dog that was put down every day I am sure that you would not continue to have such idiotic ideas that you currently hold. Unfortunately, the LDH bluffed us supporters and nevr admitted ot this high kill rate. Romana, please ask yourself, why should these innocent animals lose their lives, beacuse of some very selfish and greedy owner of a puppy farm and foolish people who choose to support them . Conditions on a puppy farm are horrendeous – those poor animals do not have a life. Puppy farming must be stamped out.

  14. Romana December 5, 2009 / 5:09 pm

    Dear Helen, dear vetnurse, dear Adrienne, and all the others who want ‘to put me straight’ – you have misunderstood my point of view.

    I absolutely agree with you that it is horrible when animals suffer and die, and I agree that people that cause such suffering should be stopped and called to justice. What is giving you the idea that I would have a different opinion on that? My first message on this blog referred purely to the video (without voice comments), and I could not download the audio, but later read the transscript. The video shows cages with dogs at night, and they appeared clean to me. The dogs looked healthy and well-fed to me. I did not know anything about the background of this whole video, but thought it was the night accommodation in Mary Papalia’s kennel, as her name was mentioned on the Deathrowpets website in connection with this video. So, please get that right. I certainly in no way support or accept puppy mills, pet shops selling puppies, or any other activities of that kind.

    Regarding the effects of desexing, there are many opinions and many different experiences to support them all.
    Regarding earning money, there are many opinions, too.
    Regarding the ethics of vets, there are different opinions, too. Most people forget that these guys and gals are running small businesses and are trying to make profit with pets, too, and their bearing and advice may not always perfectly ethical, either. I am just saying this at this place to create a healthy balance to all the complaining about breeders.

    A few more words on earning money: I don’t believe that there is much money to be made with dog breeding anyway. It is not a profitable business, no matter how you do it.

    Running puppy mills or cage hen factories or brothels or marihuana production plants all fall into the same category for me – they should be stamped illegal, and everyone involved should be prosecuted.

    This has nothing to do with ethical businesses, which include ethical dog and cat breeders, or with hobbyists, which include many ‘backyard breeders’ who most often treat their handful of pets very well and lovingly, and breed with consideration only. It is not them who drop animals off in shelters and pounds. It is the buyers of pets – and that is where the emphasis of our work should focus on! The public must be better informed, and pet owners who submit their pet to a klilling facility must be exposed – as a very noticeable warning to others! Why not set up a camera in front of those facilities? If someone would film the people who are bringing their dogs and cats in, and ask them some questions, they might start thinking differently…

    For me, the solution does not lie in desexing (with all its pros and contras), but in making clear to every pet owner that buying and owning a pet is very similar to adopting a child. What would the public think of adoptive parents who bring an orphan back to the orphanage, because the kid has misbehaved, or because they are moving to another house which is not children-friendly?

    Dealing with inhumane animal factories is something that the legislator of the country must put right. We can only tell the polititians what we want them to do and put some pressure on them.

    Dealing with pet owners, on the other hand, is something that people like me or you can put right. It is just like network marketing: If you spread the message that people who surrender their pets to pet killers such as the so-called ‘animal shelters’ for no valid reason, will be publicly exposed and affronted, the word will spread – and many pet owners will look for better ways how to deal with their problem.

    Focus on the people you can reach!

  15. Netta December 5, 2009 / 6:33 pm

    I don’t think blame and shame is going to stop the problem. It will just lead to more animals being dumped in remote places or worse. It will just add to the numbers that become feral, nuisances or picked up as strays.

    There are very few “cons” to desexing companion animals prior to the point of sale and many, many benefits. The most important benefit is the number of dogs losing their lives will be reduced.

    When 10’s of thousands of animals are euthanised every year. Something has to be done to curb the overpopulation and it should not mean that poor abondoned pets should lose their lives because some people like the idea of being able to have a cutesy litter of pups regardless of the consequences or because someone thinks they might be able to make some quick money or because they think that vets must be out to get them so they can’t trust their advice……. Come on why would all vets recommend it – do you think they are all part of a huge conspiracy?

    It’s simple.

    Tougher legislation and enforcement for breeders means better lives for the dogs.

    Mandatory desexing of companion animals at the point of sale means less unwanted dogs and orphaned pets losing their lives.

  16. Helen Brocker December 5, 2009 / 7:48 pm

    The point we were making Romana, is that there is a huge difference between a reputable breeder and a puppy farm, where several hundred dogs are breed in shocking conditions, often until death. These are the people that feed the pound system and need to be stopped. You opinion seems to have changed from your earlier comments, which were not indicating that you found puppy farms abhorent. With companion animals being killed at an horrific daily rate in the pound system, every animal that is prevented from breeding, saves many more lives. The only animals that do not need to be desexed are those owned by registered breeders.

  17. Olga Parkes December 5, 2009 / 8:51 pm

    It is an absolute no-brainer to discuss whether puppy farms should be allowed. Of course they shouldn’t. The owners of these facilities are not breeders, they are simply making money, and are known to supply to petshops, so the money goes round and round, and the animals suffer. God help those poor breeding animals, and what happens when they become less fertile? Do they enjoy a pleasant retirement on the couch watching TV? Of course they don’t.

  18. Romana December 6, 2009 / 12:44 am

    “It is an absolute no-brainer to discuss whether puppy farms should be allowed. Of course they shouldn’t.”

    An excellent summary and closing word, Olga!

    However, I would love to discuss the pros and cons of desexing (at the source of purchase or whereever) further, but this topic does not really fit under the headline of ‘Puppy Mills’. Is there any other blog thread available, or is there a posiibility to set up a new one for this specific topic?

  19. vetnurse December 6, 2009 / 10:03 am

    Romana, until you have actually worked in animal welfare and seen first-hand where the animals come from, I don’t think you can state that “It is not them [backyard breeders, hobbyist breeders] who drop animals off in shelters and pounds. It is the buyers of pets”.
    This is quite untrue. I have seen first-hand the many animals that are dumped at shelters for someone else to deal with when the BYB’er/hobbyist breeder gets sick of it all.
    As for your statement that BYB’ers “most often treat their handful of pets very well and lovingly, and breed with consideration only” – what a load of rubbish!
    BYB’ers breed to make money and commonly overlook basic veterinary care such as vaccinations and worming. They repeatedly breed from animals with clear health defects and when things go wrong, they are the worst debtors at vet clinics!

    I suggest that you stop sprouting such ignorant fanciful thoughts and go volunteer in a shelter or pound and see for yourself what is happening in the real world!

  20. Helen Brocker December 6, 2009 / 10:06 am

    An excellent idea to find or set up a thread for this very important topic….. I believe it will also be another ‘no-brainer’

  21. Romana December 7, 2009 / 8:15 am

    Vetnurse, (1) until you have looked into the naturopathic and wellness sciences, I don’t think you can state that those who “overlook basic veterinary care such as vaccinations and worming” are doing the wrong thing. This topic would indeed require its own blog, too! And (2) accusing all backyard and hobby breeders of being greedy for money, is simply infuriating. Thousands of them actually give their puppies and kittens away for free. (Please note that I do NOT approve that practice either!)

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    You are absolutely brainwashed, vetnurse, if you believe everything that your vet says, because he/she was taught so by the pharmaceutical industry. If you feed cats and dogs with toxic chemicals on a monthly basis, be it for worming or for flee prevention, you inevitably end up with cancer, heart and kidney disease. And vaccinations? A hugely controversial topic, be it in animals or in humans.
    Current example: The litter of kittens that I am currently raising, has unfortunately gone through the cat flu. Don’t take me wrong – I would have had them vaccinated (at least to satisfy the mainstream opinions of the buyers), but they contracted the virus alreday before the “vaccinable” age of 6 weeks. We got them healthy again, in co-operation with my vet: I strengthened their immune system with my (natural) means, she fought the secondary infections with her antibiotics. This cost me about $500.
    Now, my vet recommends that we should still go through the entire vaccination cycle against cat flu! Isn’t that hypocritical? These kittens’ systems are already full of anti-bodies against this disease, which they developed naturally – and the vet knows this – or at least should know this, if she has kept something else in her memory from her studies, except of her pharma sales training. But they still want more and more money, even if they know that a particular treatment or medication would not have – cannot have – any beneficial effect for the animal. THIS is greed, dear vetnurse.
    By the way, I am quite sure that it was one of my rescued and desexed cats who brought the virus into the household, as she is the only one who is allowed to roam free – this is mainly to prevent fights, because she doesn’t get along well with the other cats. Do you want her?
    And regarding backyard breeeders – here is the current example, too: Already at 7 o’clock this morning, all my dogs, cats and ferrets were fed – with healthy fresh kangaroo meat mixed up with warm filtered and energised water, some steamed, mashed veggies which I cooked last night and a bit of commercial Whiskas/Pal kitten/puppy food (the latter only to get them used to the taste, as most buyers probably won’t go through the daily trouble of healthy food prepation). Their quarters and toilet corners were cleaned, and their sleepware is already in the washing machine. Already at 6 a.m., the dogs had their playtime in the backyard and were running so much, that they are now exhausted and sleeping again. Which means, it is the cats’ and kittens’ time to use our secure backyard, eat grass, climb trees, discover interesting things and maybe even catch a mouse or a bug or a lizard. The 2 ferrets mothers with their litters live ina 4mx2m large bird aviary, and have lots of playstuff there, and all of them have had some petting and cuddling with me today already, too. That is the reality of my backyard breeding facility, every morning. Any comments?

  22. vetnurse December 7, 2009 / 10:37 am

    I rest my case. Clearly you take offense to this article attacking backyard breeders and puppy farmers because you’re a backyard breeder yourself!

    There’s no point debating the pro’s and cons of desexing, vaccinations, veterinarians making money, backyard breeders etc. You will not be persuaded and will keep doing what you are doing regardless.

  23. deathrowpets December 8, 2009 / 5:27 pm

    From Romana:

    When it comes to dog and cat overpopulation, I believe the greatest threat are those pet owners who give away FREE kittens or puppies twice a year.

    They produce huge numbers of mongrels who will hardly ever see a vet in their lives and most likely will continue the chain of wild uncontrolled breeding.

    However, when it comes to “unregistered” breeders, there are certainly also good/ethical ones who treat their animals well and there are really bad ones, just as there are good/ethical and bad registered breeders.

    The exact definition of a ‘backyard breeder’ is still not clear to me, but you can’t be serious saying that breeders who live in a residential house with a backyard and not on a multi-acre farm property are all bad people!

    For my dogs and cats, I am a registered breeder, and we raise the litters in our house. Also all our adult dogs and cats– the reproducing ones as well as the old and disabled ones, the de-sexed ones that proved unsuitable for breeding, and the rescued ones – sleep in our house. They all use the secure backyard as their playground, just as our children do. So call me as you like!

    We enjoy very much raising and handling our precious pure-bred puppies and kittens. We know that they carry exceptionally good and healthy heritage, and that they will be treasured by their future owners. We spend very much time with our animals, groom and train them; we take our dogs out for various weekend activities and in our caravan on holidays. Our animals are our hobby, and it is a very expensive and time-consuming hobby. We spend about all the payments which we get for our pure-bred offspring and more on veterinary bills of all our animals.

    Vets sometimes give good and sometimes bad advice for the big bucks they ask for. Topics such as the use and overuse of vaccinations and other pharmaceutical drugs are very controversial topics even amongst health professionals, be it in animals or in people.

    Also the advantages and disadvantages of surgical interventions, including various ways of de-sexing, are still subjects of ongoing research. Therefore there are no “no-brainers” at all!

    I look forward to further discussions with you on those specific topics.

  24. Julie-Anne December 17, 2009 / 1:23 am

    Well presented and covered most aspects of the pet industry as it is; A CYCLE WHERE IT BEGINS WITH THE GREEDY PUPPY FARMERS AND SADLY ENDS WITH SO MANY ANIMALS IN DEATH ROW.

  25. Romana December 17, 2009 / 1:15 pm

    Regarding “GREEDY”:

    Julie-Anne, there is NO WAY how a “puppy farmer” can ever make any profit. Really!

    Showing a starting puppy breeder some simple economic calculations may quickly stop their entrepreneurial plans. I would love to add a sample calculation below, but I am trying to keep my messages short.

    STOPPING PUPPY FARMS requires open communication with such “young entrepreneurs”, and not judgemental and aggressive expressions of hatred as they were expressed here in this forum. I believe that many people get into animal breeding because (1) they love to/always dreamt of working with animals, and (2) they were promised or believe to achieve big profits – a dream that never comes true. After they have spent a lot of money to set up their “puppy farm”, they get in financial trouble and realise: We are spending more money than we are earning for working full-time! In order to at least cut their expenses, they limit the food, the health care, and the time spent on cleaning and human attention, because they need to do a second job to simply survive … and THAT is where the true problem starts – lack of money! Such a “business” is a hopeless undertaking in financial terms; puppy farmers will never succeed as a business.

    Consider only the costs of the parent dogs, their accommodation and their food – compared to the prices that pet shops pay for puppies (which is about one quarter of what registered breeders charge their buyers)…

    So, stop puppy farmers to their own benefit! They will only keep losing money if they keep doing what they are doing, and there is no other way out but rehome the dogs and sell all the cages – and then start some other, truly profitable business!

  26. Debra Tranter December 17, 2009 / 1:40 pm

    Romana your delusional. Puppy farms in Victoria are making huge money, one I know of turns over 1 million dollars a year in profit. Some have been operating for 30 years.
    Stop trying to justify and condone this grubby business of factory farming dogs and see it as it is.

  27. Julie-Anne December 18, 2009 / 12:37 am

    Romana, for your information, not many of us here in this forum, who knows the evil truths, is being narrow minded about their opinions on puppy farms and most of us are dealing with this very horrible issue as honestly and professionally as we can. Most of us here are not being “judgemental and aggressive expressions of hatred” as you state, but have hatred towards the inhumanity that so many animals endure whilst in the hands of the evil, greedy puppy farmer. But you cannot run away from the truths Romana. Too many dogs are being over bred in evil hell holes, and as more becomes exposed, the evidence clearly points out to you Romana, via all the footage taken and the media covering such ugly truths.
    Debra is correct; in there is so much sufficient evidence that many puppy farmers are making huge profits. Not to mention the so many puppy farms are allegedly operating all over the country without a permit or the local Shires are not even aware of their breeding operation. This is indeed a shocking truth.
    So Roanna it appears obvious that you are on the puppy farmer’s side and have blinkers on. For goodness sake, take the blinkers off and view the helplessness and brutality that the dogs in the video footage and photos, are portraying.
    Also, your comment Romana that “there is no other way out but rehome the dogs and sell all the cages” is perhaps kinder to so many dogs used as prisoners for profit day after day, with very little rest between litters or simply hidden away at the back of the property, because they are no more use to the puppy farmer. Yes, Romana this is the sad truths of large breeding establishments as compared to the reputable breeder who only breeds occasionally for the love and health of the dog and don’t even consider having a “truly profitable business!”
    How about considering that dogs are companion animals, highly intelligent and needing more than just being couped up in confined spaces and only receiving the very minimal food and water that is considered humane by the puppy farmers’ standards? Even better, how about ending the exploitation of our companion animals that are simply just used as breeding machines and profiting the puppy farmers pockets? The message needs to be made loud and clear that THE DOGS ARE NOT OBJECTS AND SHOULD NOT BE USED AS MERELY PROFITING MACHINES!

  28. Romana December 18, 2009 / 8:30 am

    Dear Julie-Ann,
    This is nonsense. I am most certainly NOT “on the puppy farmer’s side”! My comments here serve the only purpose to create a healthy balance between opinions. Generalisations such as THE puppy breeders, THE backyard breeders, THE registered breeders – putting them all into the same drawers and marking them as generally good or generally bad – does not serve anybody. Every single case needs to be viewed and evaluated individually. Aggressive generalising attacks will always attract resistance and counteractions. If you want to change something, you must not attack and abuse, but talk with the cuplrits or the public authorities in a constructive manner – and also hear their point of view with an open mind.
    With regards to the puppy farms mentioned here, I personally fully agree with you and the other members in the forum that something should be done /needs to be done to close them down – but it must be done in the proper way.

  29. Julie-Anne December 18, 2009 / 4:49 pm

    Have read and agree that Robert Adamo is another dreadful example of puppy mill operators in this State of Victoria and that laws need to become harsher and stricter monitoring of breeding establishments. But as for your comment; “you must not attack and abuse, but talk with the cuplrits or the public authorities in a constructive manner” is far from the truth in my case. On particular concerning cases, countless letters have been sent out to relevant authorities, such as the RSPCA, DPI, Local Shires and Councillors and other Government departments and most of the time I have been hand ball from one to the other. Not to mention the non compliancy of so many Shires in Victoria.

  30. Adrienne December 18, 2009 / 8:57 pm

    Romana

    Do you ever consider where, or with who, the puppies you breed may end up? Do you really vet the buyers or do you take the puppies to the pet shop – I would never never breed any animals, as I could never rest not knowing whether they were being properly treated or being abused. Far too many puppies end up unwanted – why bring them into this world to be abused. Think again Romana about what you are doing..

  31. Romana December 18, 2009 / 9:51 pm

    Q: Do you ever consider where, or with who, the puppies you breed may end up?
    A: Always.
    Q: Do you really vet the buyers …
    A: Always.
    Q: …or do you take the puppies to the pet shop…
    A: Never.
    … And I stay in contact with the buyers and monitor the further life of the dogs and their families for years, just as most of my club colleagues do.
    Q: Would you prefer to live in a world in which no pure-bred, wanted, lovingly raised puppies from controlled breeding programmes were available, Adrienne?

  32. Adrienne December 19, 2009 / 1:29 pm

    All my dogs (and cats) have come from shelters – unwanted and facing possible death unless rescued- where did they come from?- greedy breeders who have no thought for the dogs they breed from and do not care where the puppies they have bred end up –
    I will never buy from a breeder.

    I believe in giving innocent pets a second chance.

    What is the name of your kennel – you say you are a registered breeder and what type of dog do you breed?

  33. Romana December 19, 2009 / 3:40 pm

    Adrienne, all dogs come from the same source – out of their mother’s belly. But it is a huge difference whether this offspring was thoroughly prepared, planned and wanted or “just an accident”, and, if it it wanted, in who the parents are and who the breeders are. Also your dogs came from a breeder, of course, and unless you are able to track their origin back to the source you will not know whether this breeder was a good or a bad one.

    For animals ending up in shelters – don’t blame the breeders (unless you know for sure that really they ARE the bad ones), but blame their last owners. Those are the ones who bought them somewhere where they can’t bring them back, and then abandoned their pets – and I cannot think of a single justified reason for doing that.

    P.S.: Give me your phone number, and I will readily call you back to answer your other, personal questions.

  34. Helen December 19, 2009 / 4:50 pm

    Let me get this straight Romana. You run at a loss. You vet all buyers. You never sell to pet shops. You (and your colleagues) monitor the puppies ‘for years’ ….and you’re telling me that this is the ‘norm’ for Back Yard Breeders?
    One of my dogs was bought (by a rescue group) from a BYB. She had already had two litters at 18 months. The Back Yard Breeders that I see, put a sign on a lamp post with ‘Puppies For Sale’ and the price. You’re dreaming if you believe that all BYB are doing it for ‘the love of it’ ps. are your puppies micro-chipped before they leave?

  35. Romana December 19, 2009 / 5:43 pm

    Helen, we keep coming back to one of my most basic questions: What is your definition of a ‘backyard’ breeder?
    What is your definition of an ‘registered’ or ‘controled’ or ‘ethical’ breeder? Are we still talking about ‘puppy farms’ here?
    If you don’t make the meaning of these terms clear, there will be always confusion.

    To be continued (because Paul recently wrote me that noone wants to read too long contributions in this blog…)

  36. Romana December 19, 2009 / 5:52 pm

    Helen, to answer your questions about MY breeding:

    I breed with one (1) female dog, and I have one litter per year. This year, we are raising four (4) puppies. I am a member of a breeder’s association which issues pedigree papers for my dogs and whose code of ethics I abide to. What sort of breeder am I?
    We live in a residential area in a little house with a 600 sqm backyard. Our dogs are outside at daytime, and in the house at night. Am I a ‘backyard breeder’?
    I advertise our puppies via ads in newspapers and on the Internet, and then direct the callers to my website or my club’s website for further information about the breed and their care. Bad or good?
    My puppies have always been sold vaccinated, wormed, micro-chipped and registered, with official pedigree papers to well-screened new owners; this year, it is the first time that I will also have the puppies de-sexed at 2-3 months age before I sell them – this is because of the influence of Paul and Deathrowpets. Happier now?

  37. Romana December 19, 2009 / 5:58 pm

    Now, about some other ‘breeders’:

    I also have 2 de-sexed dogs for my bitch as playmates. One of them I bought for breeding, but he didn’t develop to the best standard, and so I kept him as a pet only. The other of these dogs is a really ugly terrier-like cross who was born on a horticultural farm and was ‘bred’ intentionally, because the farmer was curious to see what would come out if his blue-heeler-cross bitch (his only dog) would mate with the foxterrier-jackrussel-type-cross dog of his best mate. This farmer lives on a multi-acre property in the countryside, so, I guess we can’t really call him a ‘backyard breeder’. Is he, in this case, a ‘puppy farmer’, though? He then gave his puppies away for free to anyone who would want them. So, he was certainly not ‘greedy’ either. How does he fit into your classification?

    Scruffy, one of these puppies was dropped off at my place by her owner (a single mother on a parenting pension), when she was about one year old. The owner said that her three children had lost interest in the pup, because the dog is ugly and not a puppie any more, and furthermore, she keeps digging holes in their yard, and they want to keep their garden pretty. The local animal shelter wouldn’t answer the phone, and she heard that I loved animals and put up all those deathrowpets posters in town – so, I was her solution. If we were in a big town, she would have most certainly dropped the dog off in an ‘animal shelter’, and you know what happens there with 90% of all ugly dogs who are said to have behavioural problems …

    Do you think something like that would ever happen to a dog who the owner had to pay $1000 for, after having been interviewed and screened and thoroughly pre-informed by the breeder? One of my puppy buyers last year spent even more than $3000 on her very special and long awaited companion dog – she had one of my puppies shipped to Singapore, and both of us had to go through a lot of formalities and paperwork over several months to get the import permit.

    What I am saying is: The top-quality pure-bred dog breeder’s world is a very different world than you will find in animal shelters. I strongly and constantly advise everybody to rescue unwanted dogs and other animals – myself, I have already collected 14 “free kittens” this month and booked them in for de-sexing, vaccinating and microchipping (at my cost) for the first week of January, before I will rehome them (through advertising, of course)

    – but there is also a valid place for the highly valued, highly appreciated dogs and cats who are consciously and contentiously bred with the aim to continuously improve the quality of a particular breed. This includes health, character, temperament, and beauty.

    So, do not damn all breeders
    – but educate the ignorant public.

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